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Hi all,
First-time poster and probable buyer of one of Stephan's courses here in the next couple days.

Anyway, as the subject says, I'm returning to Web Design. My focus will be on front-end - so HTML, CSS, Javascript. Though I might dig into PHP and such as well, but that's getting ahead of myself.

Just some history to put things a bit in context:
I started in web design back during the HTML 1.0  days, when tables were the go-to layout tool, and spacer.gif was all you needed for pixel-perfect positioning. All my work was done in notepad, even after the fancy editors started coming out. I always found Dreamweaver or NetObjects Fusion wrote ugly, bloated HTML.

Anyway, around 2000, a lot of people realized dumping 10s of millions into pie-in-the-sky ideas wasn't a good idea, and the Internet bubble burst. Suddenly, being hired as a Web Designer meant doing front-end design AND back-end Development - and for less pay! I was released, along with 500+ others, from what was supposed to be a temp-to-perm position, because the company's investors lost interest and decided to put their money elsewhere. I did some freelancing work after that. After the 3rd or 4th client tried to screw me over, delayed or tried refusing payment (after approving and signing off on everything I'd done), I got fed up, gave up on web design completely and went back into regular retail work.

Lately, I've found myself interested in picking it up again. I've been building a site using Wordpress and, while it's neat to work with.. It's just too much for what I need. I'm having to install plugins for special modules to do things I know could probably be done far more easily and "lightly" if coded myself. Problem is, I don't know how to do that stuff yet. And this is what got me excited about returning to the field. Seems it pays pretty nicely these days as well, so that's a bonus. Anything that opens a door to move away from where I'm living now is alright by me.

Anyway, to the point... Is being strictly a front-end person a viable path these days? Do Employers still expect you to be able to do all the front-end and back-end stuff? Is HTML+CSS+Javascript sufficient, or are there other things you *must* know how to do as well? Do you still have to chase after clients for payment when freelancing, or has the industry "grown up" enough to where businesses take it more seriously and don't try to rip you off or avoid paying you?

And finally, what course or courses are recommended here to get back up and running? I'm still pretty familiar with HTML, at least the basics. Some things, like semantics and more advanced CSS stuff are a bit alien to me, so I'll need to learn about that. 

Anyway, longer read than I was expecting to write so I'll stop here lol.

Thanks!

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On 8/5/2019 at 5:35 PM, TwoCats said:

HTML 1.0  days, when tables were the go-to layout tool, and spacer.gif was all you needed for pixel-perfect positioning.

Nice ... you're an old-timer like me! Things are much better.

 

On 8/5/2019 at 5:35 PM, TwoCats said:

Anyway, to the point... Is being strictly a front-end person a viable path these days?

Yes, if you combine that with other skills like social media marketing, wordpress setup, hosting setup. But if you get into PHP you expand you possibilities. 

 

On 8/5/2019 at 5:35 PM, TwoCats said:

And finally, what course or courses are recommended here to get back up and running? I'm still pretty familiar with HTML, at least the basics. Some things, like semantics and more advanced CSS stuff are a bit alien to me, so I'll need to learn about that. 

Take my full stack course ... it will give you what you need:

https://shop.killervideostore.com/

My freelance course will help a lot as well:

https://www.killervideostore.com/video-courses/complete-freelancer.php

Stef

 

 

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@TwoCats - Hello and welcome , i was also into action script and games development but as flash was discontinued first by apple and then by every one else every thing kind of collasped, i now want to start in web development, i was a member of one other forum and they do talk about knowing  backend stuff as well, every one seems to agree that HTML+CSS+JavaScript and PHP/mySql is really very much in demand and everyone is raving about nodejs as well ....

I am a subscriber to the IWD(interactive web developer course)

I have completed the HTML course and about 30% of CSS course and i can say that it is a great course, stefan has chosen to call them introductory but believe me he goes very deep in to what he called "nerd" topics but not in a rush ...

I will surely say for some one who has been there and done that , this will not be very difficult ... 

 

Wish you good luck which ever way you decide ....

 

Amit

 

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On 8/9/2019 at 1:05 AM, AmitKumar said:

I have completed the HTML course and about 30% of CSS course and i can say that it is a great course, stefan has chosen to call them introductory but believe me he goes very deep in to what he called "nerd" topics but not in a rush ...

Thanks!

Good luck! I'm sure you will do well. 

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Hello TwoCats :)

All my experience went down the pan years ago — silly mail job. Anyway, like you, I've paid for one of Stefan's courses hoping to resurrect my passion of web page building. When I first started, I did it not for a job, but for wanting to show everyone how great my Real Basic programming skills were. Er, which were pretty awful. I realised I wanted to get further into framesets, tables and other cool things which are far from cool these days. LOL

I reckon you've got the same passion as I once had. Only it's got more revs than mine ever had. Good luck with whatever comes your way. ;)

 

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On 8/8/2019 at 9:19 PM, administrator said:

Nice ... you're an old-timer like me! Things are much better.

 

Yes, if you combine that with other skills like social media marketing, wordpress setup, hosting setup. But if you get into PHP you expand you possibilities. 

 

Take my full stack course ... it will give you what you need:

https://shop.killervideostore.com/

My freelance course will help a lot as well:

https://www.killervideostore.com/video-courses/complete-freelancer.php

Stef

 

Hi, Stef, thanks!
 

Yep, I'm an old geezer in the world of Web Design heh.  That old hands-on approach is still in me. Not a bad thing.

Since I posted that message, I've been working on site design ideas, and learning CSS Grid and Flex (Tables on steroids! I'm loving it so far. Grid Areas are genius.), and getting back into the swing of things. 

I've set up specific challenges for myself which will include learning Javascript (necessary as a front-end Dev anyway) and PHP, for some dynamic page generation and navigation stuff, without having to go full CMS.

Thank you for the suggestions. I'll take a look into those and see about getting rolling.

Thanks again!

 

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On 8/9/2019 at 1:05 AM, AmitKumar said:

@TwoCats - Hello and welcome , i was also into action script and games development but as flash was discontinued first by apple and then by every one else every thing kind of collasped, i now want to start in web development, i was a member of one other forum and they do talk about knowing  backend stuff as well, every one seems to agree that HTML+CSS+JavaScript and PHP/mySql is really very much in demand and everyone is raving about nodejs as well ....

I am a subscriber to the IWD(interactive web developer course)

I have completed the HTML course and about 30% of CSS course and i can say that it is a great course, stefan has chosen to call them introductory but believe me he goes very deep in to what he called "nerd" topics but not in a rush ...

I will surely say for some one who has been there and done that , this will not be very difficult ... 

 

Wish you good luck which ever way you decide ....

 

Amit

 

Hi, Amit,

That's cool. I'm interested in learning some PHP and DB stuff. Maybe even working with flat files. DBs are a bit spooky to me, but I'm sure very useful to know.

I'm very into game design - I'm more on the creative side, though. I never looked into flash game creation, though. I've looked more at stuff like Unreal Engine, or Unity, or even Godot whose language is based on Python.

I'll probably get going with one of the courses next week, when payday comes around.

Thanks!

 

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On 8/13/2019 at 4:08 PM, MacRankinZ said:

Hello TwoCats :)

All my experience went down the pan years ago — silly mail job. Anyway, like you, I've paid for one of Stefan's courses hoping to resurrect my passion of web page building. When I first started, I did it not for a job, but for wanting to show everyone how great my Real Basic programming skills were. Er, which were pretty awful. I realised I wanted to get further into framesets, tables and other cool things which are far from cool these days. LOL

I reckon you've got the same passion as I once had. Only it's got more revs than mine ever had. Good luck with whatever comes your way. ;)

 

Framesets! Wow I forgot about those. 2+ html pages displayed at once! Fancy stuff. 

Getting nostalgic here lol.

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