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The future of standards, aka Version targeting

There have been allot of writing about standards of late.

Im got the ball rolling here with "La Browser Hotel" which is an excellant thread... however a not so great title 6 months down the road when you try to find it again.

So left with a choice to make it sticky, I am finding more links on the subject and decided it is a good subject for a sticky and suggest you might want to visit the original thread.

With my thanks to Im, I am offering a place now to list the links I have and any forther links anyone finds that they find good reading on the future of standards.
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Re: The future of standards...

I am still leaning more towards the "This is not a good idea" faction... but Eric makes sdome good points in his piece... so I frankly am on the fence and waiting to wee what comes of it.
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Re: The future of standards...

Right. I'm just not sure of all the benefits. I need to put it into practice to understand it better.
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Re: The future of standards...

Every version of IE creates extra confusion and requires "special treatment". As if we not having enough with IE6, and 7.
Not exactly very inspiring all this targeting.
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Re: The future of standards...

Problem is shelf that at this time it is theory. It may or may not happen and if, then with IE8 release.

But seems like the arguements are solid that each version of IE will be more bloated as they have to carry over rendering things for old sites...
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Re: The future of standards...

Added a new Link: They Shoot Browsers, Don't They?

Some real jems here:
To clarify the situation, I asked Chris Wilson what would happen if IE8 were to encounter a valid, well-formed document with a strict DOCTYPE. My worst fears were realized when he confirmed that the browser would behave exactly as if it were its predecessor.


...Instead of asking that developers who want to opt out of future improvements do so with the addition of a meta element or header, Internet Explorer expects standards-savvy developers to actively opt out of version targeting? by using version targeting.

The reasoning here is that less savvy developers shouldn?t have to worry their little heads about adding one extra line to their documents. Instead, they should be encouraged to continue to write to the quirks of one specific browser version from the market leader. That their documents will ?break? in other browsers is not Microsoft?s problem...

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Re: The future of standards...

Update:

Looks like M$ may be re-thinking a seemingly misguided idea.

Sanity prevails: IE8 will default to standard-compliant mode - ars Technica
Microsoft is citing its new interoperability initiative as the impetus behind the change. This move, designed primarily to stave off further EU intervention, emphasizes support and promotion of open standards in a way that the company hasn't previously done. This move should also help to stave off Opera's antitrust complaint, which argues that EU should force IE into better standards compliance.


Microsoft's Interoperability Principles and IE8 - IE Blog
While we do not believe any current legal requirements would dictate which rendering mode a browser must use, this step clearly removes this question as a potential legal and regulatory issue. As stated above, we think it?s the better choice.


Will post more links as I find them.
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Re: The future of standards...

It is a breaking news indeed.

And may be a news of the year:

Microsoft Expands Support for Web Standards.

unbelievable.
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Re: The future of standards...

Wow - first the Berlin Wall fell, now this. What's next? Democracy in Cuba? The 35-hour work-week? After this, ANYTHING is possible!!!!
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Re: The future of standards...

Hmmm? Didn't Microsoft say this a very long time ago....

"Standards? We don't need your stinkin' standards!"

Ah, well....maybe a new generation of workers is infiltrating the corporation to assimulate MS old practices.

"We are Firefox. You are to be assimulated. Resistant is futile."

Looking forward to IE8.
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