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LSW
Advanced Member USA Joined: Nov 27, 2003 Post Count: 6287 Status: Offline |
No waves... as a programmer you should get the point, programming languages do not allow errors, so neither should HTML. Validation is an aid. Cross browser without validating? Jaein... But if not validated and you have errors... can you guarentee it will work. Aside from that you speak of browsers... but browsers are just one form of user agents. Keep in mind Cell Phones, PDAs, Portable Game Pads like Playstation Portable, Screenreaders and text based browsers. Many PDAs and Cell phones do not even use "Browsers", so can you be sure that they will show your site as a "Browser" does? Validation is not 100%, but if a site uses standards and validates... the odds are better. Most people simply do not think in terms of User Agents... only Firefox and IE and "browsers". This forum accepts different views and bating back and forth like this can bring out points that help others later. ---------------------------------------- Gu.aal kwsh� yak'�i it�akw ijeet wugood�k LSW-WebDesign.com |
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Advanced Member Joined: Jun 14, 2003 Post Count: 2933 Status: Offline |
You should code to standards. The confusion is where the standards lie. I have argued many times, that the true standards people should be worried about, are found in the browsers being used ... not the ivory-tower musings of the W3C. - Besides, many W3C 'standards' have not been implemented anywhere and now, the W3C is fragmenting: Some top eggheads (several paper dragons) have publicly declared their displeasure with the direction of the W3C. ---------------------------------------- Stefan Mischook Video Tutorial Store | Web Templates |
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LSW
Advanced Member USA Joined: Nov 27, 2003 Post Count: 6287 Status: Offline |
Yes, in fact Joe Clark is involved with a elete group to try to bring a useable standards into play outside of the W3C. One of the big problems is currently that most knowledgeable Accessibility people have criticized the new WCAG 2.0 as to much Mush. A few not well thought out guidelines and a few that are so generalized that they will allow trully inaccessible web sites to pass as AAA. We do not however really expect changes to be made before WCAG 2 comes out officially and it will be a paper dragon of little use to anyone. Most accessibility designers will likely stick with WCAG 1 and just adopt the few good WCAG 2 guidelines to replace poor WCAG 1 Guidelines. The W3C does need a overhall, it seems to be a good old boys club now. I have heard of their working groups actively ignoring and shutting out input from outside the circle... even if you have a reputation to back it up. Standards are good, but should be made of common sence and logic. But the standards are really there for the User Agent developers so all user agents behave the same way with the same code... but some have taken their time like M$, who happens to be a founding member of the W3C... just generably ignored the standards produced and tried to get their own adopted. ---------------------------------------- Gu.aal kwsh� yak'�i it�akw ijeet wugood�k LSW-WebDesign.com |
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