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LSW
Advanced Member USA Joined: Nov 27, 2003 Post Count: 6285 Status: Offline |
Stef has been speaking alot about Ajax and Ruby lately, but in different threads so for thos interested I thought I would post some links I have on the subject in one place. Stef can add any he likes and anyone else can tack theirs onto a reply. General: Call and apple an apple Ajax:
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tpattison
Advanced Member UK Joined: Dec 29, 2004 Post Count: 1662 Status: Offline |
Ahhh, so thats what Ajax is. Here was me thinking it was a "flash" type of thing.  Thanks LSW, thats great to know. Tim ---------------------------------------- Pavonis Mons | Listen of the week: "Residue of Desire" by Acumen |
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tpattison
Advanced Member UK Joined: Dec 29, 2004 Post Count: 1662 Status: Offline |
Just found this: AJAX gives software a fresh look - CNET ---------------------------------------- Pavonis Mons | Listen of the week: "Residue of Desire" by Acumen |
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admin
Advanced Member Joined: Jun 14, 2003 Post Count: 2940 Status: Offline |
What is Ruby, and why should I care? You shouldn't care. Learn something useful like PHP. More details: Ruby is one of the many rarely used languages that you should keep away from because:
The people who promote Ruby want to create a market for their rare skills sets - don't be fooled into thinking Ruby is some magic language that trumps all others - it doesn't. Yes, it can do SOME things better than say Java or PHP but in turn, Java and PHP can do other things better than Ruby. If you learn Ruby, you'll will be learning something that has no market share - Ruby has less than a third of 1%!  To put it in perspective, consider that Fortran, Cobol, Delphi are much more popular languages! More here The only reason I mentioned Ruby was because some people are trying to spread a bunch of crap suggesting somehow Ruby is a relevant - it is not. Some of our members have been deceived (into thinking Ruby is worth looking at) and I wanted to set the record straight and help people out.  ---------------------------------------- Stefan Mischook Video Tutorial Store | Web Templates ---------------------------------------- [Edit 7 times, last edit by admin at Oct 8, 2005 11:33:37 AM] |
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shelfimage
Advanced Member USA Joined: Mar 24, 2005 Post Count: 3000 Status: Offline |
Just found this: AJAX gives software a fresh look - CNET WOW! I like this Zimbra. It is POWERFUL. Especially, the date Hover and Contact hover functions. http://www.zimbra.com/flash_demo/flash_demo.html. I really do hope they rival M$ Office. I live by my Outlook and recently upgraded to 2003. But Zimbra is taking it to the next level and is showing that it understands what people really need in a message client. I used to get about 100 emails/day at my former job (and that's not a lot compared to many corporate types) and organizing that can be painstaking. Now to learn more about it re: web development. Ugh, info overload. I'm still trying to catch up with css and php.  - ---------------------------------------- "The art of life lies in a constant readjustment to our surroundings." -Okakura Kakuzo Save the developers<!> Maine Webworks |
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phersh
Stranger Joined: Dec 6, 2005 Post Count: 1 Status: Offline |
Hi Stefan, I've been developing web applications in Java for about 5 years and I agree with what you said about Java in your latest newsletter: After years of design-by-committee influences, Java has become this big fat bloated pig of a language, that simply takes to long to do anything - if your not building some massive system. Yep, Java has been made into a language/platform that is not suited for the vast majority of projects out there ... the small and medium sized projects. Using Java on small and medium sized projects (typically database driven websites,) is like using an 18 wheel truck to move one chair ...it doesn't make sense! However, I don't totally agree with your comments about Ruby. The excitement is not so much about Ruby but about Ruby on Rails. I'm sure it has many shortcomings but the ease and speed with which you can develop data backed websites is pretty breathtaking. Have a look at the 15m intro video on the Ruby On Rails home page. I have no idea how popular Rails will become. I know that finding hosting is a pain. But I have purchased Agile Web Development with Rails from the Pragmatic Programmers and I am looking forward to working through the tutorial and doing a live website project with it. Boy, that sounds like a bit of a commercial, but it's not.  I have no affiliation with any rails folks at all.Regards, Phil Hershkowitz philhersh.com |
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admin
Advanced Member Joined: Jun 14, 2003 Post Count: 2940 Status: Offline |
@phersh, You're not the only one who is big on ROR - some big Java names (Bruce Tate) for example seem to really like it. And to tell you the truth, I took a look at Ruby a couple of years ago and was impressed with the core language ... it looks really nice. My beef is not with Ruby or ROR in terms of the tech, my point was with regards to practical applicability of the language. If the language has few libraries and (more importantly,) has little commercial support, then you're in trouble. I have used really cool technology in the past and I found myself alone with little demand and a heck of a time finding deployment environments. Back to ROR: the problem comes down to the fact that ROR hosting is rare, there is no history with ROR - can it take the stress? Finally, how many libs are there? PHP, Java, PERL and (I would guess Python) have a huge tool-set to draw from ... what about Ruby? - Please let us know what you discover about ROR, I would be interested. Thanks ---------------------------------------- Stefan Mischook Video Tutorial Store | Web Templates ---------------------------------------- [Edit 1 times, last edit by admin at Dec 6, 2005 5:26:25 PM] |
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