<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<feed xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom">
	<title type="html"><![CDATA[Killersites.com Web Design Forums]]></title>
	<link rel="self" href="http://www.killersites.com/forums/feed/atom/forum/23/"/>
	<updated>2009-01-20T23:46:52Z</updated>
	<generator>PunBB</generator>
	<id>http://www.killersites.com/forums/</id>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Adobe Media Player & Adobe TV]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="http://www.killersites.com/forums/topic/461/adobe-media-player-adobe-tv/new/posts/"/>
			<summary type="html"><![CDATA[The [url=http://www.adobe.com/products/mediaplayer/]Adobe Media Player[/url] is A Flex App requiring [url=http://www.adobe.com/products/air/]Adobe Air[/url] (a damn fine tool to have installed anyways, excellent for RIAs, both online apps and desktop apps online or offline). You can access [url=http://tv.adobe.com/]Adobe TV[/url] over the Media Player (which can be given RSS feeds to download videos from) and you can track, add to favorites and down load video tutorials for most all Adobe Products and watch them repeatedly at your leisure. It even remembers where you were in the video when you stopped and shows which videos you have already seen.

Along side that are full length movies, TV shows, and music videos in many different categories. But for me the star of the show is the integration with the 'new to me' Adobe TV. This would be a great place for beginners to start looking for tutorials on Adobe products.

Adobe Media Player is a Flex project and does require Air be installed. Flex is growing on me. Adobe TV can also be visited on the web and does not require the media player (put I like downloading and watching off line after adding them to my favorites.)]]></summary>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[LSW]]></name>
				<uri>http://www.killersites.com/forums/user/17/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2009-01-20T23:46:52Z</updated>
			<id>http://www.killersites.com/forums/topic/461/adobe-media-player-adobe-tv/new/posts/</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[I think we should make both of these well known.]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="http://www.killersites.com/forums/topic/14/i-think-we-should-make-both-of-these-well-known/new/posts/"/>
			<summary type="html"><![CDATA[These are both free screencast programs that run in the browser (no software download required). I looked into all of them, and these two seem to be the easiest and most appropriate for forum questions. I believe either of these services would cut down on the confusion we've all experienced with some of the more visual based questions. See for yourself. I made a test video for each. They were both equally easy to produce. 

[url=http://www.screentoaster.com/]SceenToaster[/url] and [url=http://www.screentoaster.com/watch/stVExRRUVLR1BYQlhcUl5e]Test Video[/url]

[url=http://www.screencast-o-matic.com/]Screen-O-Matic[/url] and [url=http://www.screencast-o-matic.com/watch/cjlq2TnBN]Test Video[/url]]]></summary>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[LSW]]></name>
				<uri>http://www.killersites.com/forums/user/7/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2009-01-13T17:06:12Z</updated>
			<id>http://www.killersites.com/forums/topic/14/i-think-we-should-make-both-of-these-well-known/new/posts/</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Repeating sections of code on many pages]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="http://www.killersites.com/forums/topic/357/repeating-sections-of-code-on-many-pages/new/posts/"/>
			<summary type="html"><![CDATA[Question:- I've got a site with 100 pages and I don't want to edit the 
menu on every page.

Answer:- Form one page complete in the normal way with the menu and 
check that it validates and displays properly. 

Open up Notepad or a text editor (not Word) and cut the code that 
repeats in every page completely (as much or as little as you want, 
without doctype, html, head or body tags) and paste it into Notepad and 
save as an "include" file called menu.inc. You then have only one file to 
edit if the menu changes.

Substitute the code you have cut out with PHP code 
<?php include ("menu.inc"); ?> 
in the main file and save it with .php filename extension instead of .html 
or .htm.

Do the same with other main pages where the menu repeats.
You can use .txt, .php, .html or .htm for the "include" file but it 
distinguishes it as an "include" file in your file list if you use .inc as the 
filename extension and it's even better if you put all "include" files in a 
different directory/folder.

If you use a complete page as an "include" file with .html or .htm for the 
filename extension the final processed page will have two doctypes, two 
html tags, two head sections, etc. in an unusual place which is not a 
good idea.

You can have different "include" files on the same main pages for header 
and footer and even use "includes" for the parts of the head section that 
repeat.

The PHP code needs to be processed by a server before the result can 
be seen, either by the hosting service's server just before downloading or 
by a server like WAMP (which includes Apache) on your computer for 
local viewing.

SHTML works the same way but the "include" file must have .txt 
filename extension and the main pages have the code <!--#include 
file="menu.txt"--> and the .shtml filename extension.

Check that your hosting service supports PHP or SHTML as free 
webspaces provided by ISPs usually do not.

Stefan has 2 great video tutorials explaining exactly this in the [url=http://w ww.idea22.com/]PHP tutorials[/url]:  [url=http://idea22.com/video/details/id/200708088306345299]PHP includes part 1[/url] and [url=http://idea22.com/video/details/id/200708287129879572]PHP includes part 2[/url].

Not sure if this is in the videos - but it's generally a good idea, especially if the site is set up with sub-folders, to use the absolute paths pointing to the include files, and for anything the include itself points to - that can save a lot of wondering why something suddenly isn't showing up.]]></summary>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[LSW]]></name>
				<uri>http://www.killersites.com/forums/user/12/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2009-01-13T16:57:29Z</updated>
			<id>http://www.killersites.com/forums/topic/357/repeating-sections-of-code-on-many-pages/new/posts/</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Who do you have to design for?]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="http://www.killersites.com/forums/topic/72/who-do-you-have-to-design-for/new/posts/"/>
			<summary type="html"><![CDATA[This is a standard question for most of us, we design for your customer, that is the person paying us... but it it really so? Or is it just about the old stand in "Target Audience"? No, not really. We need to design for "The Customer", the person who is going to your customers site. They are the target, they are the ones who will make the site a success or a flop. You have to design the site to meet their needs and that is where accessibility comes in.

But "Our Customers" do not always see that. Then you have to be good at selling it to them, that is my weakness. This was proven once more this last week. here is what happened:

I worked a year ago as a help desk type person for my district. One day in a meeting the representatives discovered I was a web designer and jumped at the chance for some free work for their services. My boss agreed, the help desk work was free to for them. Germany had just passed a accessibility law sort of like the DDA or Section 508. Requiring all Government offices to have accessible web sites. That was my Job, build a accessible web site, it took a year but it worked and it rates well with Google.

Now a decision has been made to build a Content Management system into it, so I spent two months working on that, looking for a good CMS. I found one I am happy with, easy to build into my site and easy to use. Only real problem I thought was that it costs money and it is only in English. As it turned out the only real problem was the editor it uses, XStandard. It is in fact a excellent editor for CMSs. It is made for web site using CSS layouts and formatting. So what is the problem you may ask? It does not offer underlining. That is what it comes down to really.

You see all formatting is handled in the CSS, all text sizes and colours, it was a finished site. But now with the CMS the employees of the organisation can and are expected to add, update and edit, or remove text on the ages for their section. That is what CMS is for. With XStandard they simply type in their text and add simple formatting and save, my CSS makes sure the pages text looks alike on all pages.

But these employees use MS Word. They have their habits and one of those habits is underlining text to make it stick out as emphasis. XStandard does not support this. So I simply explained that you do not underline text on the internet, that suggests a link and not emphasis. It will irritate the user when they click on it and nothing happens. Underline is also a visual indicator, a blind user has no knowledge of it and so the fact that that text is important slips by them. One should never use mere visual emphasis, that is why we have things like <strong> and <em> that have a syntax meaning a screenreader understands and passes along.

This was a argument that was accepted, then simply dropped as unimportant as we do not have many blind users and no reason to make the site only for the blind and not the visual users. Well that was not my point, my point was simply that by using <em> and <strong> you make the important text look important to visual users and sound important to those listening to the site. Besides those with say poor eyesight, or cognitive or reading weaknesses can find it very hard to read multiple lines of underlined text. the answer of course was that we do not have many disabled users...... so, I pointed out we do not know how many and I was hired to make the site accessible to all users! But the argument went on with the fact that the employees are used to underlining text in their paper based work and e-mails etc., we cannot simply forbid them to not use a tool they are used to. XStandard does not support underlining text, or colour changes, or text size changes. All that is meant to be done in the CSS, all XStandard does is allow for syntax, making text headers or quotes etc.. It does not allow users to choose formatting as that is done by the designer, that is what he is payed for. The employee simply needs to supply the content and make it logical using syntax.

Now I am told we cannot expect the employees to change the way they do things. Well why not? I built the web site to be used by "The Customer", a design that causes no problems for "The Customer". Now it is to be changed to suite the needs of a few employees who will rarely do anything with it anyways. The very person who hired me to make the site accessible is now having me make it so any employee can change any of the text in any way they like. They can justify text or maybe align it center (causing problems for dyslexics and other cognitive problems for instance) or align it right because they like it  when every other of the 170 + pages is set left normally. They will be able to set text sizes at will in the HTML overriding my CSS and disallowing the disabled from changing the content to meet their needs by replacing the stylesheet.

I will continue to argue this until the job is done in hopes I can change their minds but see little hope. Those I am dealing with see the usefulness of the site for the employees to be more important than the usefulness of the site to "The Customer". Should we expect our customer actually have to learn the rules that pertain to web sites? Should they have to change their habits to work in this medium? Is that to much to ask? No, I think not because the web site reflects the owner, how well the web site can be used by the user reflects on how much the owner cares about the user. If a web site is hard to use but looks pretty, that tells me that the owner cares little about the user and is on a ego trip.

If you are a designer/developer, remember you have to make your customer happy, but you are the expert and in the end it is your job to make "The Customer" happy so they keep using your customers web site. If you read this as a web site owner, remember you are offering a service or info or product to your customer and have to meet their needs, so if you really care about the user, then you should learn to use the tools you have to serve them better, not just make your life easier and to keep your habits. We developers Build our web sites for the "The Customer", the end user. If we do not make them happy or they cannot use a site due to barriers, then we have failed.]]></summary>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[lwsimon]]></name>
				<uri>http://www.killersites.com/forums/user/17/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2009-01-08T16:52:52Z</updated>
			<id>http://www.killersites.com/forums/topic/72/who-do-you-have-to-design-for/new/posts/</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Where can I learn Web Design?]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="http://www.killersites.com/forums/topic/76/where-can-i-learn-web-design/new/posts/"/>
			<summary type="html"><![CDATA[We get all sorts of variations to this question and I am sort of tired of repeating myself so it's Sticky time. To begin are links from myself and falkencreative. Feel free to post here or IM any other links you think should be added. This way we do not have to repeat the answers all the time.

[b]KillerSites Network[/b]
[list=*]
[*][url=http://www.how-to-build-websites.com]How-to-build-websites.com[/url][/*]
[*][url=http://www.secretsites.com]SecretSites.com[/url][/*]
[*][url=http://www.csstutorial.net]CSSTutorial.net[/url][/*]
[*][url=http://www.killerphp.com]KillerPHP.com[/url][/*]
[*][url=http://www.idea22.com/]Idea22.com (Video Tutorials)[/url][/*]
[/list] 

[b]Combined technology training[/b]
[list=*]
[*][url=http://www.w3schools.com]W3Schools[/url][/*]
[*][url=http://www.tizag.com/]Tizag.com[/url][/*]
[*][url=http://nettuts.com/]NetTuts.com[/url][/*]
[*][url=http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flex/videotraining/]Flex 3 in a week[/url] - excellent 47 video training course for Adobe Flex.[/*]
[*][url=http://www.safaribooksonline.com/]Safari Books online[/url] - is an online bookstore offering everything possible for electronic books on technical issues.[/*]
[/list] 

[b]HTML[/b]
[list=*]
[*][url=http://www.w3schools.com/html/default.asp]W3Schools HTML[/url][/*]
[*][url=http://de.selfhtml.org/]SelfHTML (German)[/url][/*]
[/list] 

[b]CSS[/b]
[list=*]
[*][url=http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp]W3Schools CSS[/url][/*]
[*][url=http://css-tricks.com/]CSS-Tricks.com[/url][/*]
[/list] 

[b]PHP[/b]
[list=*]
[*][url=http://www.phpvideotutorials.com/]PHPVideoTutorials.com[/url][/*]
[*][url=http://www.php.net/]PHP.net[/url][/*]
[/list]

[b]Real Classes ($$)[/b]
[list=*]
[*][url=http://www.itt-tech.edu/teach/list/it-web.cfm]ITT-Tech[/url]
     I was signed on to get an Associates Degree in Web Development with ITT, I was impressed by the course and it teaches real world design based on what employers today want and not "Ivory Tower - we think this is what you need" classes. Alas I had to decided between school and a paying job... so off to Alaska where there is no ITT no no degree.[/*]
[*][url=http://www.webucator.com/ILO/Delivery.cfm]Webucator[/url] 
     Not cheap, I have taken some of these online courses for my job and they are very good. They are worth considering.[/*]
[/list]]]></summary>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[LSW]]></name>
				<uri>http://www.killersites.com/forums/user/17/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2008-12-22T17:48:03Z</updated>
			<id>http://www.killersites.com/forums/topic/76/where-can-i-learn-web-design/new/posts/</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Safari Books Online]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="http://www.killersites.com/forums/topic/77/safari-books-online/new/posts/"/>
			<summary type="html"><![CDATA[Here is one of the best references I know.

[url=http://www.safaribooksonline.com/]Safari Books Online[/url]  is an online bookstore offering everything possible for electronic books on technical issues.

Right off the top, it is not cheap. I have the advantage of a Corporate License through my work. But if/when i should leave, I plan on buying a subscription.

For instance, these searches:

UML (Unified Modeling Language) - 963 Books
.NET - 1744 Books
CSS - 1278 Books
Apache - 1500 Books
Flash - 1000 Books

These are top line books from the likes of O'Reilly, SitePoint, New Riders, Sams, Macromedia Press, Que, Adobe Press...

As these are the top books, just electronically you can open any chapter of any book to find what you want, you can read them online and you receive tokens monthly that allow you to download the book in PDF format to keep. Each book can be added to a favorite list as well. Have a problem with something your programming? Just go there, look up a book you think will help you and solve the problem. If the book is helpful, make it a favorite.]]></summary>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[LSW]]></name>
				<uri>http://www.killersites.com/forums/user/17/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2008-12-22T17:47:35Z</updated>
			<id>http://www.killersites.com/forums/topic/77/safari-books-online/new/posts/</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Opera Web Standards Curriculum]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="http://www.killersites.com/forums/topic/78/opera-web-standards-curriculum/new/posts/"/>
			<summary type="html"><![CDATA[Bruce Lawson and the others at Opera have developed a [url=http://www.opera.com/wsc/]Web Standards Training Curriculum[/url] .

[quote]"It's a free, creative commons licensed course designed to give anyone a solid grounding in web design/development, no matter who they are?

We hope that the curriculum will be adopted or adapted by universities, colleges, corporate in-house training programs, or used by individuals trying to better their skills." - Bruce Lawson[/quote]

I think it is something for everyone to have a look at, but especially the beginners and students.]]></summary>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[LSW]]></name>
				<uri>http://www.killersites.com/forums/user/17/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2008-12-22T17:47:05Z</updated>
			<id>http://www.killersites.com/forums/topic/78/opera-web-standards-curriculum/new/posts/</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[The importance of Forums]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="http://www.killersites.com/forums/topic/89/the-importance-of-forums/new/posts/"/>
			<summary type="html"><![CDATA[Before I start I want to explain that this may sound like a self centered rant all about myself but if you will bear with it you will find it does have a point in fact. 

I went through web design school in 1999-2000, I got out of school three months after the "Dot Com Crash" flooded the market with experienced designers now unemployed. I never did get a really serious job. What I did was struggle with Freelance design to get a portfolio (which has now shrunk to 5 sites, two of which are mine as one after the other went offline for one reason or another) and I did so with no connections or friends to bounce ideas and techniques with.

Now I can say that my schooling was not the best. We learned to do nothing more with CSS then replace <font> tags, it was in fact a mere 2 hour class in that time. I was taught that HTML was dead and XHTML had replaced it and that XHTML is simply HTML that works with XML. We also no how wrong that is. This lead for me to what I consider "Stagnation." That is what is what I did, I stagnated. I kept the level of knowledge that I had and went no further, I merely did the same things wrong as I was taught for 3 years because it was taught that way and the school must know what they were doing.

About 2003 I landed the job of creating a web portal for my District's Youth Services (I was living in Berlin Germany at the time) and this needed to be accessible (I thought I knew what that meant back then) according to the German BITV laws. Well this was a big deal and trying to figure out how to do it with tables I came across two articles and a old Bookmarks file. The articles were from Gez Lemon (Juicey Studios) & Patrick "Redux" Lauke and both pointed to a web site named Accessif.com and it's Forum. The Bookmarks were mine and I discovered a site called Killersites that I had been to a few times based on the book of a big name designer.

[b]Killersites[/b]

Well Killersites had changed, a new fellow was running in named Stefan and it now had a forum. So I joined it and quickly was linked further to a web site named [url=http://www.csszengarden.com]CSSZenGarden[/url]  - my Jaw hit the floor! CSS can do that? I still do not know if my school was so bad or at that time CSS support was just so poor, but it opened a new world to me and I jumped in feet first. Stef and David Mead were a great help in those early days. David has since dropped off Killersites due to spending time with his fairly new child but stops by once in a while.

Accessibility did not exist on KS, but as I became more proficient I brought it up more and more and Stef supported me and was open minded to changing his ideas of web design and I finally became a moderator here ...ok, the fact I was in Germany and online when he was offline likely helped to *grin*. not only did I learn allothere about web design but having to then find ways to describe these new ideas to other regulars and new members helped me focus and consider options for arguments and teaching web design and accessibility here taught me as much as anything.

Now I find members such as Im, Tpatterson, Thelma, Billy and many more who came here with either no experience or limited experience with accessibility and such now answering the same questions they used to ask and many more pointing out accessibility issues and the likes. I see my answerers online before I even have a chance. This is not because I am a super designer or teacher, it is because these people were open to new ideas and counter points to what the believed when they came here. They have reached the point they are now at, being respected by newbies they help because they were willing to listen to some unknown guy named LSW with just as much or maybe less years in the business as they themselves had. But in the end, they are now where they are because they got involved in a forum where they had contact with Stef, David, myself and each other.Because they had a place they enjoyed where new ideas and old myths were discussed among experts and beginners and all as equals. It is Forums that brought us where we are today.

[b]Accessify[/b] 

I walked into [url=http://www.accessifyforum.com/]Accessify Forum[/url]  thinking I knew what I was talking about ... whoa was I wrong. I did not know beans about accessibility in the real world. That was quickly pointed out to me and once I toned down my postings and began asking more, those in the group accepted me and I have learned from some of the best in the business including but not limited to Joe Clark , Patrick "Redux" Lauke, Isofarrow, Malarkey, Tommy "Toolman" Olsson, Brother Cake, Gez Lemon, Diva, Nigel Peck, Molly Holzschlag, ... also contact with people who work with and/or represent the W3C, RNIB and many others like Universities. The vast majority being from Europe and giving me another way of looking at the web.

I even today read more than I answer as people there are far above me in the learning curve. This time I started and remained a beginner in may ways and as a user and not admin or moderator can say that it is also invaluable as a resource, Many of the best links I share at Killersites come from threads at Accessify. Although it like every other forum is about learning, it tends to be more discussion oriented with points and counter points as accessibility is not a s clear cut as HTML and CSS. It is harder to answer with yes and no answers as at KS. So their is more discussion about peoples views and understandings of guidelines and real life real time discussions about what works and what does not. The best blogs out there post here quite often before going live to get feedback from other big names.

Accessify Forum put me in contact with the [url=http://www.gawds.org]Guild of Accessible Web Designers[/url]  (GAWDS) who's membership I joined and discovered (members web sites are first examined to ensure that they truly understand or support accessibility) that my "Accessible web site" had more barriers then you could shake a stick at and that I did not know the first thing about accessibility. But Mel Pedley of [url=http://www.blackwidows.co.uk/ ]Blackwidow Designs[/url]  not only pointed out my failings but how to fix them and with her help the LSW of that time became accessible and I was accepted as a member. 

I still find myself slapping my forehead over there when I discover some accessibility consideration so logical I should have seen it myself ...so I am still learning today. As above, the acceptance of the regulars and in this case industry leaders and their patience mean that once again a Forum opened up new worlds for me and "brainstorming with the best" has boosted my knowledge in these last 3 years far beyond the first year and I have learned more then I ever did in school.

[b]Other forums[/b]

There are other forums out there, each with a specialty, [url=http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/]SitePoint[/url]  is a great general forum with more knowledge in the direction of programming and business oriented things. [url=http://forum.computerarts.co.uk/]Computer Arts Forum[/url]  gets more into the artistic and software oriented with allot of 3D, Flash and artistic subjects. I just dropped out of actively going to these forums as they are very big and somewhat hard to deal with as well as the move, real life and more duties at killersites. It does not reflect on their usefulness, simply on lack of time to spend there. 

It does not matter what forum you join, the point is that forums are a must for web designers just to keep your creativity charged and keep you up to date on recent changes in the industry. Whether you are a beginner or advanced, learning or teaching does not matter, it is the participation that matters that keeps you at your best for your customers and helper or "helpee" you will find your self learning and improving either way. 


[b]Projects[/b]

Although not directly related to forums, face it, you can read tutorials, blogs, books or forums and it does no good if you cannot turn around and put it in use now or later. Bookmarks are a must! Bookmark everything! And do so logically and under different labels so you can find it again when you need it!

So projects are a must, private or customer, actual or make believe ... you need projects to support you in the forums. Like I say above, my knowledge has multiplied beyond belief since joining KS and accessify. Here I made the jump in a short amount of time between beginner and now the expert here for accessibility. All because I had projects that challenged me and required things I have never done before.

But since my contract with the portal ended I have had no real challenges and although I spend allot oftime at KS some may have noticed that I am not so vocal, I help less then before, I basically chase Spam. It has become somewhat boring as the challenge is gone, I learn little new and we have a flock of regulars now faster with the same answers then me. I find myself once more in a slump, once more stagnating. I am now finishing up on a re-code of my Host's site, it was harder than expected but the only real challenge was working with Data Tables. But again i turned to the forums to get help, advice and see what I have missed never having done serious data tables before and for a short time it was fun again. So i will likely write another post on the correct creation of accessible data tables. 

So that is my rant, maybe self centered but I enjoy seeing Thelma and Susie now helping others as David and Stef likely feel about me having seen me improve here. It is easy to get caught up in the web and forget your real life, I see that every time my daughter wants to play and I say no. But just burying yourself in projects or real life can be the death of a designer as well. If it is even just one, choose a forum you like and hit it regularly, at least once a week for a few hours just to help and see what is changing as it is changing to keep from stagnating. If you have no time for forums then try at least a news mail list or a few important blogs, preferably allowing comments. Stagnation is death in this field.]]></summary>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[LSW]]></name>
				<uri>http://www.killersites.com/forums/user/17/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2008-12-22T17:46:42Z</updated>
			<id>http://www.killersites.com/forums/topic/89/the-importance-of-forums/new/posts/</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[FX not FF]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="http://www.killersites.com/forums/topic/91/fx-not-ff/new/posts/"/>
			<summary type="html"><![CDATA[;)
I get a kick out of this, just never ranted on it before.

Firefox is abbreviated FX. That is what it is and that is what it always has been. Yet regardless of how often I reply with FX... no one asks or comments and most importantly, no one catches on.

So because I am bored and a stickler and this should have been pointed out much more before millions of people got it wrong... I am pointing it out now.

Firefox is abbreviated [b][i]FX[/i][/b]

Is this important? Who knows. But considering that a few idiots who call themselves reporters mis identified Crackers as Hackers many years ago and now Hackers are blamed for anything bad on the net... I bet they would say it is important because they could proudly sat they are Hackers and not get stoned if someone way back when had corrected the fact that Crackers hack web sites to do damage and harm. Hackers hack web sites only on request to help people recover info or test security for the owners. Instead they are branded the bad guys and no one knows Crackers exist.

So yea, may be the right abbreviation will be important one day, I bet the reports blew it off as unimportant to.

[quote]How do I capitalize Firefox? How do I abbreviate it? 

Only the first letter is capitalized (so it's Firefox, not FireFox.) The preferred abbreviation is "Fx" or "fx". - [url=http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/releases/1.5.html#FAQ]Mozilla FAQ[/url] [/quote] 

As far back as 2005 people have been trying to correct the misuse [url=http://www.iwdn.net/archive/index.php/t-1317.html]http://www.iwdn.net/archive/index.php/t-1317.html[/url] 

I am sure it is way to late to change anything, but at least developers can do it right if we are trying to rewrite the web correctly, we should name the browsers correctly

PS - it is a graphic browser, making it a subset of "User Agents." (Graphic browsers are what you know as browsers, but there are text browsers like Linx that show no images so are text browsers.)
:lol:]]></summary>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[LSW]]></name>
				<uri>http://www.killersites.com/forums/user/17/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2008-12-22T17:46:19Z</updated>
			<id>http://www.killersites.com/forums/topic/91/fx-not-ff/new/posts/</id>
		</entry>
</feed>
