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		<title>By: Stefan Mischook</title>
		<link>http://www.killersites.com/blog/2005/getting-your-first-web-design-job/comment-page-1/#comment-76809</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefan Mischook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

You can learn about database driven websites at www.killerphp.com.

Stefan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>You can learn about database driven websites at <a href="http://www.killerphp.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.killerphp.com</a>.</p>
<p>Stefan</p>
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		<title>By: STANISLAUS OKWOR</title>
		<link>http://www.killersites.com/blog/2005/getting-your-first-web-design-job/comment-page-1/#comment-76803</link>
		<dc:creator>STANISLAUS OKWOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have designed a number of websites but i still to know much about database to make me get more web site job. Please i need a web address where i can learn more about how to design database. here are some of the web site i have published so far. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have designed a number of websites but i still to know much about database to make me get more web site job. Please i need a web address where i can learn more about how to design database. here are some of the web site i have published so far.</p>
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		<title>By: tati</title>
		<link>http://www.killersites.com/blog/2005/getting-your-first-web-design-job/comment-page-1/#comment-38371</link>
		<dc:creator>tati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi!
I have created website using frontpage and manual html codes (static webpage) and that was a long time ago.

now, i heard about this,  &quot;PHP programming, how to create a database in MySQL&quot;, do i require to have a background on this to make or create an amazon-like website?

please reply to me in my email.  i really would like to pursue the web design job.  thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!<br />
I have created website using frontpage and manual html codes (static webpage) and that was a long time ago.</p>
<p>now, i heard about this,  &#8220;PHP programming, how to create a database in MySQL&#8221;, do i require to have a background on this to make or create an amazon-like website?</p>
<p>please reply to me in my email.  i really would like to pursue the web design job.  thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Mos</title>
		<link>http://www.killersites.com/blog/2005/getting-your-first-web-design-job/comment-page-1/#comment-15684</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Mos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 04:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post really made me thinking... I think I am charging waaaaaaaay to little... a lot of people charge 5 to 10 times more than I charge and very often  doing lot lower quality jobs than I do... I did not even had time in 2 years to build my own website... I think my problem is more about the prices not about the number of clients :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post really made me thinking&#8230; I think I am charging waaaaaaaay to little&#8230; a lot of people charge 5 to 10 times more than I charge and very often  doing lot lower quality jobs than I do&#8230; I did not even had time in 2 years to build my own website&#8230; I think my problem is more about the prices not about the number of clients <img src='http://www.killersites.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Pierre</title>
		<link>http://www.killersites.com/blog/2005/getting-your-first-web-design-job/comment-page-1/#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator>Pierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m living in Phnom Penh Cambodia. I have seen the site design at killersites.com and what they charge for flash sites. I was dumbfounded at the quality-price relationship. Here in Phnom Penh, I recently talked to somebody from a French web design company. They do flash design sites for companies here and charge between 1200 and 2500$ per site, not including really special things. On killersites.com I saw a flash site is around 60$ or so and customization around 300-600 dollars. Then, the demos. I&#039;ve never seen better demos in the industry online. But what I want to reply to is the recent post by Pedro. You may try elance.com. They have a comprehensive scheme to find qualified outsourcing. Generally, all is on a bargain basis. You get a quotation and then you discuss with each provider. I found it quite honest, and dishonest providers are quickly disappearing because of the transparent scheme. I find contrary to you or perhaps as an add-on that cheating is not really possible in this industry, it&#039;s all too transparent, and at the same time very meticulous. When you get your end result, you see immediately or in five minutes where the bugs are. When you buy a car stereo you may find out only after some time, for example. The meanest business I&#039;ve ever in and ever seen is not cascading style sheets, but cascading pyramides ..., from these people, then, you can really learn to become a misanthrope ...!

: by the way, thanks for this blog, so highly useful ...:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m living in Phnom Penh Cambodia. I have seen the site design at killersites.com and what they charge for flash sites. I was dumbfounded at the quality-price relationship. Here in Phnom Penh, I recently talked to somebody from a French web design company. They do flash design sites for companies here and charge between 1200 and 2500$ per site, not including really special things. On killersites.com I saw a flash site is around 60$ or so and customization around 300-600 dollars. Then, the demos. I&#8217;ve never seen better demos in the industry online. But what I want to reply to is the recent post by Pedro. You may try elance.com. They have a comprehensive scheme to find qualified outsourcing. Generally, all is on a bargain basis. You get a quotation and then you discuss with each provider. I found it quite honest, and dishonest providers are quickly disappearing because of the transparent scheme. I find contrary to you or perhaps as an add-on that cheating is not really possible in this industry, it&#8217;s all too transparent, and at the same time very meticulous. When you get your end result, you see immediately or in five minutes where the bugs are. When you buy a car stereo you may find out only after some time, for example. The meanest business I&#8217;ve ever in and ever seen is not cascading style sheets, but cascading pyramides &#8230;, from these people, then, you can really learn to become a misanthrope &#8230;!</p>
<p>: by the way, thanks for this blog, so highly useful &#8230;:)</p>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
		<link>http://www.killersites.com/blog/2005/getting-your-first-web-design-job/comment-page-1/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 20:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why is it, that whenever I want a site created by a designer, they either 1) don&#039;t know anything but designing homepages (no CMS, e-commerce interface, back-office, thir-party participant/platforms, reconciliation and admin.)...or 2) appear to know, but then believe they have the business locked up so the a) don&#039;t return e-mails on the same day (or week!), start ducking phone calls etc etc etc...I am on this site (downloading) because I have HAD it (to the eyeballs) with this industry, and would rather take the leap to do it all myself. Is it just my bad luck, or is this a norm in the industry? Anyone care to steer me to quality/value for money/designers, customised-CMS builders...and people with a BUSINESS sense...and not just &quot;pretty pictures&quot; thrown together that is then called Web-Site building? Id LOVE to be proven wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why is it, that whenever I want a site created by a designer, they either 1) don&#8217;t know anything but designing homepages (no CMS, e-commerce interface, back-office, thir-party participant/platforms, reconciliation and admin.)&#8230;or 2) appear to know, but then believe they have the business locked up so the a) don&#8217;t return e-mails on the same day (or week!), start ducking phone calls etc etc etc&#8230;I am on this site (downloading) because I have HAD it (to the eyeballs) with this industry, and would rather take the leap to do it all myself. Is it just my bad luck, or is this a norm in the industry? Anyone care to steer me to quality/value for money/designers, customised-CMS builders&#8230;and people with a BUSINESS sense&#8230;and not just &#8220;pretty pictures&#8221; thrown together that is then called Web-Site building? Id LOVE to be proven wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan Mischook</title>
		<link>http://www.killersites.com/blog/2005/getting-your-first-web-design-job/comment-page-1/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefan Mischook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I would provide the source files. 

&lt;strong&gt;My reasoning:&lt;/strong&gt;

If you have a good relationship with a client, they will come back to see you for changes etc.

If you don&#039;t have a good relationship with a client, it is better not to deal with them anyway.

Makes sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I would provide the source files. </p>
<p><strong>My reasoning:</strong></p>
<p>If you have a good relationship with a client, they will come back to see you for changes etc.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t have a good relationship with a client, it is better not to deal with them anyway.</p>
<p>Makes sense?</p>
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		<title>By: Felicity Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.killersites.com/blog/2005/getting-your-first-web-design-job/comment-page-1/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>Felicity Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey!
Sorry, feel as though I&#039;m back-tracking a bit in this discussion, but what are people&#039;s general opnions about passing on the raw data (e.g. flash file, html pages) to the client?
I know most clients may not understand it, but if in the future (with, for example a static page), they want to make some changes, if they have possession of the files this can be done much more easily. I have seen far too many people held to ransom with content management system - there is sometimes a power=play involved too. a &#039;my work&#039; mentality. 
What is you attitude generally on emboldening the client, and de-mystifying the design process?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey!<br />
Sorry, feel as though I&#8217;m back-tracking a bit in this discussion, but what are people&#8217;s general opnions about passing on the raw data (e.g. flash file, html pages) to the client?<br />
I know most clients may not understand it, but if in the future (with, for example a static page), they want to make some changes, if they have possession of the files this can be done much more easily. I have seen far too many people held to ransom with content management system &#8211; there is sometimes a power=play involved too. a &#8216;my work&#8217; mentality.<br />
What is you attitude generally on emboldening the client, and de-mystifying the design process?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.killersites.com/blog/2005/getting-your-first-web-design-job/comment-page-1/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand where Lara is coming from and appreciate Robs textbook answer which comes from experience. 

From CMS to Blog and in-between (Nuke) it comes down to you or the clients objective and what is the objective of the site as well as what you are familiar and comfortable with and lets us not forget search or crawl ability.

My favorite CMS is TYPO. It has a sharp learning curve but is worth the effort. My main site is powered by Rainbow Portal Pro which is not the friendliest set-up but it was my first and I have developed 101 work-a-rounds especially after SP2 upgrades on the MS servers. 

Also to be dead honest I prefer php and mysql driven sites: fast and efficient.

Anyway, great discussion y&#039;all.

Ben</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand where Lara is coming from and appreciate Robs textbook answer which comes from experience. </p>
<p>From CMS to Blog and in-between (Nuke) it comes down to you or the clients objective and what is the objective of the site as well as what you are familiar and comfortable with and lets us not forget search or crawl ability.</p>
<p>My favorite CMS is TYPO. It has a sharp learning curve but is worth the effort. My main site is powered by Rainbow Portal Pro which is not the friendliest set-up but it was my first and I have developed 101 work-a-rounds especially after SP2 upgrades on the MS servers. </p>
<p>Also to be dead honest I prefer php and mysql driven sites: fast and efficient.</p>
<p>Anyway, great discussion y&#8217;all.</p>
<p>Ben</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan Mischook</title>
		<link>http://www.killersites.com/blog/2005/getting-your-first-web-design-job/comment-page-1/#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefan Mischook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi robbkore,

Do you find Mambo relatively easy to install and set up? How long does it typically take you - ball park?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi robbkore,</p>
<p>Do you find Mambo relatively easy to install and set up? How long does it typically take you &#8211; ball park?</p>
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